April 26, 2012, 10:24 AM

Reputation Award?

Apr 26

In just his second full season in the NHL Alex Pietrangelo was among the best D-men in the league. From start to finish Pietrangelo proved why so many scouts and Executives touted him as a future All-Star entering his draft year in 2008.

The Blues selected him fourth overall knowing he still needed some seasoning before being ready to make his mark in the NHL.

Two years in a row the team returned him to Niagara in the OHL after playing a handful of games to begin the year. Some began to wonder if the bar had been set too high for Pietrangelo. Afterall other D-men taken in the same draft were already impact players with their NHL teams.

One of those included Drew Doughty who was taken two spots ahead of Pietrangelo. Doughty had no problem adjusting to the NHL pace and even landed on Canada’s Gold-medal Olympic team in 2010.

It should be fun watching these two face one another over the next few weeks. 

 

The 2008 NHL draft may go down as the best ever for NHL D-men. It included the like of Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Pietrangelo, Luke Schenn, Tyler Myers, Erik Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Luca Sbisa, Michael Del Zotto,and John Carlson just to name a few.

There’s a chance Pietrangelo will be considered the best of the bunch when it’s all said and done. He has some stiff competition though, what an amazing class. Doughty has already been a Norris finalist, Karlsson could win the Norris this year, and Myers took home the Calder trophy a few years back. John Carlson scored the game winner to secure Team USA a Gold-medal in the 2009 World Junior Championships.

Pietrangelo’s chance for a Norris trophy will have to wait as sources confirm he will not be named a finalist for the award later today. Nashville’s Shea Weber, Boston’s Zdeno Chara, and Karlsson are likely to be named the top three candidates. You can be sure Pietrangelo earned some votes.

He finished the season 5th in points with 51, 6th in goals, 6th in assists, 4th in power play points, 8th in takeaways, top 20 in ice time with 24:43 per game including 3:12 of PK time, top 10 in shots on goal with 202, and first in shifts.

He took on an awesome responsibility defensively matching up against opposing teams best players every single night. A sign of a great D-man is one who can play top even strength minutes as well as first unit PP and PK.

 As good as he is offensively, Pietrangelo may be even better in his own end. He has tremendous patience and is as poised under pressure as you’ll find. He has a great stick and moves the puck up ice as well as any D-man in the league. There’s something to be said for being the best D-man on the top defensive team in the NHL.

He has unbelievable instincts and hockey sense, has world class vision, and can stick handle his way out of traffic. 

I don’t scream and yell just because he didn’t crack the top three. He turned 22 years-old this season and his time will come. It’s hard to argue with the three players who are nominated as they all had deserving seasons. Sometimes it takes playing in the playoffs to get the recognition you deserve. Guys like Weber and Chara have been great for a long time in this league and they’re as good as any D-man going right now. We all know this is a reputation award.

Karlsson put together one of the best offensive seasons from a D-man as we’ve seen. He doesn’t play in his own end nearly as well as Pietrangelo but he had an incredible year. It’s hard to argue with the numbers he put up.

The scary thing is Karlsson will only get better. Some will try and pick apart his game defensively but most would take him on their team. He is what he is, he’s got ridiculous talent and you have to appreciate the season he had.

You have to try really hard to criticize Karlsson who was a steal at 15th overall in 2008. The kid’s a great player. Playing in a Canadian market doesn’t hurt his cause either.


Success in the playoffs will go a long way in Peitrangelo getting more respect. 

More to come,
Andy Strickland
Stickland.andy@gmail.com

Andy Strickland is based out of St. Louis and has more than 10 years of experience covering the NHL. He is also a full time radio personality in St. Louis and can frequently be heard and seen throughout the United States and Canada on radio and television. He can be contacted via Twitter (@AndyStrickland) or on the Ask Andy page.

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Good article Andy.

I enjoy reading some of the articles on the ESPN insider b/c they use a couple of guys that have some very important statistics like how many offensive zone face off starts versus defensive zone, power play time, penalty kill time, last minute of close games time and the stats related to these aspects of the game. They take all of the normal stats plus stats like these and quantify them. It gives a much better picture of the player.

Did you know Berglund had good numbers even while doing poorly that suggested when he was on the ice the game was titled in the offensive zone? Or that Backes often started with defensive zone face offs?

Why would stats like this be important? Well there are some guys that score a lot of goals or produce a lot of points but they are mainly put on the ice during offensive zone face offs, meaning they don't have to exert their energy as often to move the puck up 200 feet. It is easier to score when you start in the offensive zone. There is also an obvious reason: coaches don't trust those players at both ends. Sure they might score a bunch but when they are out there a bunch is scored against their team.
A simple stat I look at is how many points a player has versus their /-. It doesn't tell the whole story but it is a guiding light. Remember Brett Hull scoring 86 goals and well over a 100 points? You look at a lot of these type of players and their plus/minus is ridiculously low for all that point production. Well then I look at pp points. That won't tend to effect their plus/minus(they can only get minuses on the pp).


My point is Karlsson might have produced gaudy offensive numbers but he wasn't trusted. Judland could probably put up some crazy numbers as well. But last I checked the position was called DEFENSE--MEN not offense--men. Some where along the line the Norris has turned more towards point totals than the whole picture. Most defensemen are only truly good at one aspect or the other.

I don't see how Weber is on this list this season other than he should have won last year. This one of the more porous Predator teams we have seen in recent years.

It's hard to argue with Chara most years.

Karlsson had great numbers but was he playing against the top lines, on the PK or starting the majority of face offs in the defensive zone? No. For all of those big numbers how come he didn't have a high /-? He's playing against weaker competition most of the time and still is out there when a lot is being given up.

I don't see how Petro doesn't make this list. Not only did he excel for the most part on the defensive side of the game but while doing his first job he was changing games making plays and scoring. He was being put out there at crucial times of games against the best competition.
in reply to BlueManGuru
agree completly but people love his point total, as a dman it really is an incredible feat if you consider how many more goals he contributed to, at least statisticly. Petro didnt have bad start to the season by any means but his offensive game came back after a month or two into the season, for this may have been his fault but i think petro can put up numbers like karlsson and play the shutdown dman role that karlsson is scared to play, and will be remember as one of the best dmen ever flag this comment
I understand the thing is mainly based on reputation as it's voted on by people who dont necessarily know too much about the game (Jeremy Rutherford), but I don't understand why Karlsson gets in this year if Visnovsky doesn't last year. The only difference is Karlsson scored about 15 more points. Visnovsky still led defensemen in scoring last year but didnt win because he had only 30 something minutes of short handed time all year. Karlsson has 40 something. Every other D man to ever win the Norris has had at least 200 plus minutes of PK time, and Petro this year has more than any of these finalists.

At least Lidstrom didn't get nominated. flag this comment
This is why the blues should go all in on Suter. Can you see a better partner for Petro I now we would all like more offense but come on what a top pair on D that would be!
in reply to kyle2268
http://chirpstory.com/li/6781

This is sad. I will never root for Boston again. Their fans are terrible. That is unbelievable BS.
in reply to BlueManGuru
Not saying that what was said is ok. But if that situation happened in Stl or just about any other NHL city the same stuff would have been said/posted. There are idiots everywhere and it was game 7 in OT. Alcohol probably played a big part in that as well.

Sad but true. The country still has major race issues. This is not a Boston thing. flag this comment
Terrible...That's Boston for you. Sad indeed. Only player I like on the Bruins is Marchand even though that doesn't matter. I only rooted for them last year bc I hate the Canuckleheads more. My second team is the Caps so I'm glad the Bruins are done! flag this comment
This exists in every city. Think about how racially segregated St. Louis still is. Those Boston fans are shitty and terrible, but I would guess that there is a contingent of every sports fan base that has that same attitude.

As much as we want our country to be beyond that kind of idiocy, we're a long way away from being done with that. flag this comment
This exists in every city. Think about how racially segregated St. Louis still is. Those Boston fans are shitty and terrible, but I would guess that there is a contingent of every sports fan base that has that same attitude.

As much as we want our country to be beyond that kind of idiocy, we're a long way away from being done with that. flag this comment
btw- what's with the media needing to get a quote from Mr. Simmonds every time idiots decides it's racist epithet time? The media needs to put on their big boy pants and decry the idiocy without turning to Mr. Simmonds. He's all class for making a statement, but he absolutely should not have to be a part of this story. This is about idiots who are being divisive in a very ignorant way. flag this comment
1-0 NYR. It wasn't a bad d-zone turnover, but it was a bad mid-ice turnover...
in reply to Eggserino
He wasn't the first guy back, he wasn't even the second guy back. The puck was across the line before you could even see him in the play. There's your Norris candidate. What a joke. He was in no man's land for the game winning goal as well. flag this comment
2-0 Rangers. Back d-man standing in no-man's land, at best standing in front of the goalie...
in reply to Eggserino
Hey Guru! Two more points for me? Haha! Hey, I think that you're right about speed in the playoffs. Ottawa is still a work in progress. They have some of the same work to do that the Blues had last year. Commitment that, when there's no play in the O-zone, it's ok to dump it along the walls. When there's no play in the neutral zone, you have to make a decision to get it deep or dump it back to a defenseman for a fresh look.

They're fast, they're young, and they've got some maturing to do. They are gonna be good though...
in reply to Eggserino

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