December 11, 2011, 11:40 AM

Blues Eyeing Another D-man?

Dec 11

If you pay attention to Blues GM Doug Armstrong it’s obvious he doesn’t like to sit back and watch. Every day this guy is trying to find ways to improve the St. Louis Blues and he’ll continue to do so leading up to the NHL trade deadline.


Sure everyone wants to get into the playoffs but for most NHL teams, their goals go beyond just reaching the post-season.

The ultimate goal is winning it all and every GM should be focused on putting together the most competitive roster their resources will allow. It takes a little more creativity to manage the Blues compared to some of the higher revenue teams in the league. Finding ways to improve your club can sometimes be easier said than done.

Making a coaching change may be the best trade a team a make. It certainly has become an easier and more affordable alternative to making a player trade.

Armstrong scouts other NHL teams as much as any GM out there. This is why people get all alarmed when he’s spotted watching Toronto play Boston or Pittsburgh battle Washington as he recently has. You just never know where he might pop up.

If you look around the NHL there are a few things the best teams tend to have in common. They’re deep up the middle and they have at least three legitimate, quality NHL D-men who can play in all situations.

Are the Blues equipped defensively to make a run?

Sure they have some players currently developing into top NHL D-men in Alex Pietrangelo and Kevin Shattenkirk. Both players are relatively “green” though when you compare them to the top defenseman playing for San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Nashville, and Vancouver.

Many of the top coaches and GM’s in the league believe you need three D-men who can each play 25:00 quality, productive minutes every night in the playoffs. All of the above mentioned teams certainly have that.

This is why San Jose made the trade with Minnesota and brought over Brent Burns and why Chicago didn’t allow Niklas Hjalmarsson to get away a few summers ago.

Multiple sources tell me Armstrong will likely eye another D-man before the trade deadline. Landing a defenseman who can eat a ton of minutes and play in all situations is likely what the Blues will covet. If the Blues are successful in landing a true experienced D-man they would set themselves up very nicely.

This player may not become available until we get closer to the deadline. If Armstrong can locate a team looking to dump a salary don’t be shocked if the Blues add a defenseman sometime down the line.

You can’t go into the last month of the season hoping certain guys can handle the pressure of playing when the temperature is turned up. Identifying a player who has been there before and has had success could be just what the Blues need moving forward.

The Blues defense has played very well this season. They lead the NHL is shots allowed and have contributed to goaltender Brian Elliott having the season he's enjoying. It simply comes down to putting the club in the best possible position to win. 

How deep are the Blues up the middle?

That’s what they’re finding out right now. Part of the reasoning behind moving Vladimir Sobotka back to center is so the organization can evaluate if they’re deep enough at the center position. Adding Sobotka to a David Backes and Patrik Berglund may leave the Blues in good shape as we move ahead. 

Look at the best teams in the NHL and they can all go three deep up the middle. Once we get late into the season and especially into the playoffs the NHL becomes a three line game.

Blues fans can expect Armstrong to explore all options in an effort to ensure his club is in the best position to compete for a playoff spot.

Collectively Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo have combined for 224 career NHL games. D-man Kent Huskins is often described as a veteran D-man and although he does have post-season experience he’s only appeared in 283 regular season games. That’s less than 24 year old Kris Russell who recently hit the 300 game mark. Barret Jackman leads the way for the Blues with 546 career games followed by Carlo Colaiacovo who has appeared in 322.  Combined the Blues group of D-men have appeared in 71 total post-season games with Huskins accounting for 47 of them.


Ownership update…

Sources indicate this past week Matt Hulsizer gave a presentation to several banks as he looks to shore up his financing in an effort to beat the December 31st deadline Commissioner Gary Bettman personally handed down.

Multiple sources tell me they have tentatively set the closing date for December 23rd but with the understanding that date may be hard to meet. Regardless, the Hulsizer camp is confident they will beat the clock and eventually get this done before the end of the month.

Sources say Hulsizer would approve adding another player before the trade deadline.

Speaking of Huskins, it’s been three weeks since he had his foot surgery and he could be cleared to begin skating in another three weeks from now. He remains on crutches and in a walking boot.  He is still on the eight week timetable he was given at the time of his surgery.  

Updates on D’Agostini and Sobotka are in the San Jose story.  

 As I reported a few days ago, Andy McDonald appears to be turning the corner as he continues to recover form a October 13th concussion.

More to come,
Andy Strickland
Strickland.andy@gmail.com

Andy Strickland is based out of St. Louis and has more than 10 years of experience covering the NHL. He is also a full time radio personality in St. Louis and can frequently be heard and seen throughout the United States and Canada on radio and television. He can be contacted via Twitter (@AndyStrickland) or on the Ask Andy page.

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There's not a lot out there Andy if if teams start falling, when you balance the good and bad of a trade. For defensemen the league is mostly in a turnover stage from an old guard to a younger one. SO to me it depends upon what you are giving up and at the same time when you look at your team and how good you think are. You have to answer are we good enough to go deep, are we good enough to compete for the ultimate prize if we added so and so? And I think you have to be able to say with authority that such a piece puts you over a 70% chance of competing in the finals if the cost is big to your young in this NHL where you have to continue to draft well.

There's no way the Blues should think about say trading any of: Rattie, Tarasenko or Schwartz for or an old guy say like Gonchar if he becomes available. Because that's the type of player you are talking about. Or they must be eying a guy like Matt Carle but Philly is having depth issues and what's the cost there especially when that cost increases and you need to then resign him.
in reply to BlueManGuru
This makes absolutely no sense. We don't need another defenseman to make a run. In the next year or two, Cole will be able to give you big minutes anyway. Besides, the teams with the 3 d-man rotation don't have a lineup of two way players.
in reply to jammer21
Hey Andy do you think theirs a passobility Army is eyeing a Shea Weber or Ryan Suter? Those guys would be awesome on this team. Both have a good transition game and are amazingly good defensively. And both guys are really good leaders. If you ask me Weber could really help our power play out with his booming shot he has. Weber has played in 431 regular season games and 33 post season games. Suter on the other hand has played in 492 regular season games and 29 post season games. I would rather have Weber because he's an amazing 2-way d-man and is really good as far as in his own zone. These guys might be available since they signed Rinne to that crazy contract. and Suter is going to get a raise.
in reply to bluesrawesome
I understand Andy's point, but I do not believe I'm ready to go Jonestown on that one.
As GURU pointed out, I would not be willing to give up one of our solid future NHL blue-chips for a experienced battle-tested dinosaur--a la Gonchar.

I agree w/ Andy that having the luxury of the playoff hardened Dman would be invaluable, however, I believe that this team--in buying into Hcock's 200ft game--may be able to get by w/ the--thusfar--stingy d-corps that we presently have.

This year is the first year playing fantasy hockey for me; consequently, I have been watching many more games of other teams. & you just don't see that many other teams that play this complete style that Hcock has our boys playing.

If you read the "From Their Perspective" blog by Hockeyguy73 on STLtoday's Blues forum, it's amazing to read the comments by the opposing teams' fans. Time & time over they state how BORING the Hcock-led Blues are to watch. How they DESPISE the Hcock style. & how this TRAP CRAP needs to go.

WHAT are talking about?!?! Any knowledgeable fan--& a few of the opposing fans will come out & say it-- that the Blues constantly sending 2 & even 3 forecheckers, stepping up high, playing the lanes, getting sticks in the way, swarming the puck, backchecking like mad; they get possession, make the outlet pass, rush like hell on the transition, & go straight downhill.

They play AGGRESSIVE TEAM hockey . . . & they are doing it WELL. For this reason I believe they can bypass a trade for an old dinosaur dman, & therein giving up a prospect.
in reply to BlueNoteCode
I think we need a Shea Weber I say we trade away some picks Andy Macdonald and Bishop if they want him. Shea Weber has a quite a bit of experience compared to Petro and Shattenkirk.
in reply to bluesrawesome
i imagine if shea or suter become available the bidding war will get outrageous. flag this comment
We had a chance last off season to attempt to sign Weber to an offer sheet of which price would be far cheaper than what it would cost in season for a guy who is making $8 million this season while we have a host of players to sign for next season and two upcoming RFAs on defense as well.

I love Weber and said in the off season he's the type of player we need.

Now think about it for a second. How many times do you see a trade inside a division? Do you want the simple answer why? B/c you play that team more times than the others and especially next year now. So your fans have to see the potential success of their once player numerous times throughout a season. Now if your team sucks and desperately needs players and the price is right it makes the bitter pill easier to swallow.

That said the cost would be tremendous. Maybe worth it, probably not. One player does not make a team. We still don't have new owners as well.

So while it would be fun to imagine such a great thing it won't happen. Even if you managed to get a third party involved so that Nashville wouldn't know you were the destination and that's if two GMs want it to be known to the league they are not dealing on the up and up which would come 0ut rather quickly, it would be more likely Gretzky was lacing them up for the Blues once again. flag this comment
Besides Nashville will want Weber more than Suter unless the cost or years is more than they can handle but the owners gave the green light to sign both players.

Only way Weber leaves is if he asks to b/c he feels he has a better chance somewhere else. flag this comment
Interesting. I think if you read a little more into what Andy is saying, you can figure they are basically looking for a number 2 to play alongside Pietrangelo and or Shattenkirk. That is the one thing that doesn't look right about the D, (no disrespect to Colaiacovo who I think is a very underrated defenseman). Obviously Petro and Shatts aren't going anywhere and they both play the right side, so I can see why they would be keeping an eye out for a top tier guy who shoots left. How badass would the defense look with Ryan Suter added to that top two?
in reply to fattyboubatty
Good god fatty, what is your work schedule exactly? 2:36 AM???

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Again in division, next year even more games against eachother in our new conference. The cost will be prohibitive. flag this comment
haha, yeah if you hadn't noticed by the timing of my posts, I do work nights. Sunday night's always an off night though.

And yeah guru, I know the odds of Nashville dealing with a team in their own division are slim unless we overpay but that is the type of guy we are missing on this team. flag this comment
"Multiple sources tell me Armstrong will likely eye another D-man before the trade deadline. Landing a defenseman who can eat a ton of minutes and play in all situations is likely what the Blues will covet. If the Blues are successful in landing a true experienced D-man they would set themselves up very nicely."

-This describes every general manager of every NHL team every season.

The desire coming down the stretch is always to find that one more rugged defenseman.

I'm happy to let this play out over the next three months or so and see how these guys develop. They already have one d-man that deserves to be playing that can't find a regular spot in the lineup.

Which means eventually you're gonna have to bump two current guys. Who would they be, Colaiacovo and whom?

in reply to bcallaway
Seems like Armstrong's pattern is to trade a similar asset to get an asset. If he trades for a lefty d-man, he'll trade a current lefty d-man. It would make sense that, if he's trying to trade with a team looking to clear salary, he would trade expiring contracts. Carlo, Jackman, and Huskins all play the left side and have expiring contracts. I'd think that at least one of those guys would go in a deal... flag this comment
exactly. When you graduate with your degree and top honors and you are applying for jobs what is the one thing most jobs ask for--minimum of three years experience. So how does anyone ever get any experience when everyone is always looking for experience--somehow someway they get experience. And they learn. Experience costs more.

But there is a turnover in d-men going on in the league. SUre there inbetweens but most of those except at a first glance Carle aren't going any where. And now Carle is probably going to be stuck in Philly b/c Pronger is out with concussion symptoms. flag this comment
BTW - anybody seen Chris Stewart lately?

Has anyone told him the season has started?
in reply to bcallaway
Better yet, where's Brewer to remind him it's a contract year? flag this comment
Who would they target?

Scott Hannan
Jay Bouwmeester
Chris Phillips
Sergei Gonchar
Joni Pitkanen
Jaroslav Spacek

Hmmm... Not excited about any of those guys...
in reply to Eggserino
Other than Bouwmeester, none of those guys excites me over what the Blues already have.

But I also know DA has come up with creative solutions from places no one has thought of previously.

For now, the Blues are solid as can be in goal and on defense. A little more scoring from the aforementioned struggling big guys and the Blues could really start to put some distance between themselves and the 5-11 seeds in the Western Conference. flag this comment
Bouwmeester is not exciting at all. This guy got big money after a big trade and since then has pretty much crapped the bed. Anyone remember this guy once scored twenty goals and seemed like a consistent threat to do so every year and then he went to Calgary. Who was happy to over pay for his services. Reminds some of Brewer except he has actually achieved something. flag this comment
Can we move Stewart on out for a defenseman? I'm so tired of his lackadaisical play...he looks SOOO beyond uninterested. I really don't get it b/c this guy was a beast down the stretch last season after the trade, but so far this year...he looks like the complete and polar opposite of what he was.
in reply to NortheastBlue15
He's looked skittish when he has a guy lined up since the suspension. Something is going on with him at least in the head.

There is time to let it play out a bit longer. Of course he can still be traded on potential. He could also be finding Hitch's style tougher. The big thing is he has looked way out of shape this year. flag this comment
He's a mystery. He's gone from just struggling to find his game to completely invisible.

Perron is setting up everyone from here to the concession stand and he's nowhere to be found.

A great opportunity Saturday night, shot from the right wing and Niemi kicks a giant rebound right out in front of the net and............no one.

Waiting....

Waiting...

Ten minutes later he arrives, too late to do anything about it.

I don't get it. I don't get what's going on with him but I see why Colorado was willing to deal him. flag this comment
Stewart just isn't the player everyone thinks he is. Guru compared him to Dustin Penner, and unfortunately for us, I think that's a great comparison. flag this comment
I full-well knew (from everything that was being said about the trade) that Shattenkirk was the centerpiece; whether we knew it at the time or not. I know Stewart can play when he's focused and WANTS to play, but c'mon...he's been horrid even before Uncle Hitch got here. Like I said, he just seems so detached from what is going on out there on the ice. I forget what game it was recently, but he got rocked 3x in the 1st period alone. A guy his size shouldn't be getting pushed around. flag this comment
Stray has all
in reply to bluesrawesome
Stewy has all the potintel in the world. He can snipe he can create havoc in front of the net he can put all the rebounds in the net. Is it me or does it almost look like he hates it here and dosent want to play hear? Almost like he has nothing to plat for.
in reply to bluesrawesome
It seems like what Stewy is going though is mental, because aside from a few flashes, this is not the same player as last year. He's never been that great a passer, yet too many times he tries to make a pass that he really can't pull off instead of driving to the net or making a move to get a shot off.

I think I remember hearing at the beginning of the season that a close relative of his died over the summer. I'm not sure if that's right or what the deal is with him, but I hope something happens that gets him out of this funk. He hasn't had much life since the season began.
in reply to fattyboubatty
I really think we should trade Andy Macdonald. What do you guys think? He brings 4.7 million dollar contract. And at this point I think he's becoming so injury prone. Think what we could do with 4.7 million dollars of cap space. It's not that he's played bad it's just he's become so injury prone and he's a ufa this summer and it would be nice to get some thing for him.
in reply to bluesrawesome

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