October 26, 2010, 9:57 AM

Bergeron Deal Set Bar for Backes?

Oct 26

There were a number of topics discussed this week in New York City where the Blues conducted their organizational meetings. One could only assume the signing of upcoming free agents was on the agenda.

The Blues have a number of unrestricted as well as restricted free agents that will require a decent amount of attention from GM Doug Armstrong in the coming months.

The biggest name on the list is probably David Backes who has developed into maybe the Blues best all around player.  On the surface it appears the 26 year old has some serious leverage heading into a summer where he’s eligible to become an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career.

It’s safe to say both sides would like to get a deal done sooner than later but there is certainly no rush here. Armstrong has been a hard negotiator since taking over last summer for Larry Pleau which was evident in the signing of cornerstone players Erik Johnson and David Perron. Both these players were looking for longer deals but as RFA’s held little leverage in the negotiations.

That’s far from the case here with Backes who won’t hesitate to enter the open market if the Blues fail to meet his financial demands.

Is $5 million too much for David Backes?

This number could very well be the sticking point for the two sides. Fans can expect Backes to almost certainly be looking for a contract comparable to what Canucks forward Ryan Kesler and Bruins forward Patrice Bergeron signed in recent months. Bergeron received a three yr $15 M extension from Boston just a few weeks ago.

You can argue Kesler brings more offense to the table than Backes having three consecutive 20 goal seasons on his resume. Kesler finished last year with an impressive 75 points, 26 of which came on the power play. Like Backes, Kesler plays an all around physical game that includes playing in all situations.

Boston didn’t exactly do the Blues any favors by signing Bergeron to his three year extension. Sure Bergeron is a nice player but he and Backes are coming off of very similar seasons. Both players have one 30 goal season on their resume but you have to go back to 2005-2006 find Bergeron’s. You can make the case Backes has outplayed Bergeron over the last few seasons.

It’s the intangibles Backes brings to the ice that makes him such a priority for the Blues. He’s complete player whose size and strength makes him a force in all three zones. He’s your prototypical power forward who can play wing or center, kills penalties, plays the PP, annually among the league leaders in hits, fights, scores goals, and takes face-offs.  The Blues have often identified Backes as potential Captain material down the road as he brings a leadership element to the table as well.

In the past the Blues have back loaded contracts which could be difficult here with the potential of a lockout looming after next season. There’s also the possibility of another salary rollback for the players which would obviously have to be collectively bargained in the next CBA.  A frontloaded contract will be much more attractive to a number of NHL players in the next year or so.

I do think a rollback is unlikely when you consider superstar players such as Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Marian Hossa, and Evgeni Malkin are signed to lifetime contracts.   Can you see Gary Bettman telling Crosby he’s going to rollback his salary for the remainder of his deal? I can’t.

I do think the Blues will satisfy Backes before it’s all said and done. Can they really afford to lose a guy that means this much to the organization moving forward? It’s hard to replace size up front and the Blues aren’t exactly the biggest team in the league. The number Backes is looking for is pretty high especially when you consider the domino effect it could have with other Blues players down the line. It won’t be long before Perron’s contract expires and you know he’ll be looking for a lucrative long-term contract.    

 The Blues have a reputation of taking care of their players who perform on the ice. This past summer they inked Alex Steen to a four year extension as they previously did with Brad Boyes and Andy McDonald.   I don’t see this situation playing out any differently as the Blues understand how difficult (and expensive) it would be to replace a David Backes.            

This is a big opportunity for Backes to cash in and he will take full advantage of the opportunity in front of him. He and his wife Kelly do great work in the community and seem to truly enjoy St. Louis .  This doesn’t mean they will be willing to leave a few million bucks on the table to stay here.

Backes has gotten off to a slow start in terms of goal scoring but he’s played some very good hockey. If he’s wants to be paid $5 million dollars he’s going to have to produce like a $5 million dollar player.  His 30 goal season a few years ago set an expectation level that may be slightly unfair. I’m not sure he’ll ever be a consistent 30 goal scorer but there’s no reason he shouldn’t be expected to pop in 20-25 annually.  Signing Backes could mean the Blues will be forced to try and move another forward they currently have locked up long-term. Financially it could be hard to keep everyone including those already under contract.

Other notables up at the end of this season include RFA’s  B.J. Crombeen, Patrik Berglund, T.J. Oshie, Roman Polak, as well as UFA’s Cam Janssen, Eric Brewer, and Ty Conklin.

More to come,
Andy Strickland
strickland.andy@gmail.com

Andy Strickland is based out of St. Louis and has more than 10 years of experience covering the NHL. He is also a full time radio personality in St. Louis and can frequently be heard and seen throughout the United States and Canada on radio and television. He can be contacted via Twitter (@AndyStrickland) or on the Ask Andy page.

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"Is $5 million too much for David Backes?"

I don't think so. I would like to see more scoring from Backes but he's a valuable asset. Three or four years at $5M is about right for him.

It would cost you a lot more to go outside the organization and find his replacement if you were to lose him.

in reply to bcallaway
Steen brings just as much to the table as Backes does his inconsistency makes me worry about a big long-term contract. $4 million tops. If the Blues are out of the playoff picture at the deadline, trade him to Toronto and Burke can give up a couple more 1st round picks.
in reply to staloyt
Steen brings just as much to the table as Backes does his inconsistency makes me worry about a big long-term contract. $4 million tops. If the Blues are out of the playoff picture at the deadline, trade him to Toronto and Burke can give up a couple more 1st round picks.
in reply to staloyt
There's never inconsistency to his hitting game. He's a good passer, good at mucking in the corners, and the only player with size that the Blues have that can fill a top six role. Who's in the pipeline that's going to replace that? Stephan Della Rovere? flag this comment
Either way, 5 million is too much. Lucic, Horton, Burrows, Pavelski, and Clowe would be better comparisons. 3.5-4 million. flag this comment
Give Backes Brewer's money and the "C" on his sweater. DONE...Next up locking up Oshie...
in reply to Mike Steinmetz
I would have to agree.... See ya Brewer!!!! flag this comment
Mike ~ dead on my friend; dead on. IMO, Brewer is easily replaceable by Strachan or an emerging Cole considering he's playing reduced minutes anyways. Brewer is FAR from a $4.25M worthy player. I know Andy seems to love him, but I just don't think that Strachan or Cole could do any worse than what we get from Brewer. Take his $4.25M and throw the other $750k on top of that to meet the plateau set by Kesler's signing...DONE.

I still think that Crombeen is a waste, but if we were to shed Janssen then Crombeen would be okay in my book to fulfill the 4th line fighting role. I just can't stomach Crombeen playing on the 3rd line...EVER.

Conklin goes either way in my book. I think he's a solid back-up goalie, but I believe that Bishop is ready to start taking over the back-up duties. Depending on how well Halak does going forward, it would be interesting to see what becomes of Jake Allen. I'm thinking that the Halak deal this summer came with a safety net all ready in place. If Halak failed, then we'd have to suck it up for another 2 or 3 years until Allen was ready. Once Allen is set for prime-time we then have the choice to either bring him up, OR if Halak is the real-deal as an elite NHL goalie, then we can dangle Allen out there for something good that could push this team over the top. flag this comment
I would say we need to make sure we resign Backes, Oshie, Polak and even Berglund . We can do with out Crombeen, most of all Brewer and Conkiln (Bishop has proven himself). I would hate to see us lose Janssen being he's from the area but if it will save us money and making sure we get our power players signed, then see you around Janssen!!!!
in reply to Bluesfan52
Wow five-million a year...? No wonder the NHL has issues with money and cap space. Backes brings a lot to the table but $5 million worth...man... I don't think it's unrealistic to expect this guy to pot in 30 goals a year Andy. He's got the skill and size. But Kesler and Bergeron both have some pretty high point totals Backes has never matched. But if Brewer gets $4.25 million a year then Backes is worth at least $8million. Seriously Backes is nearing an elite level, once his production gets there $5 million won't look like much.
in reply to Christopher De Joe
simply put, no. Backes is a great player but not our best forward. I'd rather pay guys like berglund, oshie, and perron before backes. So far this season Backes' performance seems a little weak but there's still a lot of season left. i wouldnt be in a hurry to throw money at him.
in reply to Tony Scharf
$5 million for a 25-goal scorer?

Bear in mind that the best NHL players, aka 50-goal scorers, are getting $7 to 8 million a year. So half of that ...
in reply to HallPlante
2 years/10 million should be sufficient. no long term deal until he proves to be a consistent goal scorer this season and the next 2 years otherwise he is a overpaid glorified body checker like Lucic!

i like DB42 good player... but not at 5 million per if he cant net at least 30 goals in a season!
in reply to bird diggler
5 million sounds a little rich for Backes. Yeah he's got intangibles, but guys are generally paid based on point production and Backes has never come close so point per game numbers. I'd say he's worth around 4. I don't even really consider him a top line center. Armstrong should use some of his connections to pry Brad Richards out of Dallas. That would be somebody I would consider trading Berglund for.
in reply to fattyboubatty
Backes should take some sort of discount. Hockey is a team game. He knows if he gets 5 million something else would have to give.

The thing at the end about moving another forward that's signed to a long term deal...you mean McDonald or Steen? They are the only two guys who have contracts long then a year after this season is up. I don't see us getting very much for McDonald and trading Steen so quickly after signing him to a great contract is a move that won't endear them to players too much.
in reply to PUNCHHIMINTHEFACE
how about getting rid of jannsen and keeping reaves he fights and actually skate and shoot. I like backes the second half of the season the guy is incredible, i think sobatka will come around and be a great center for steen and dags on the third line and mcclement center with winchester and reaves. i would sign brewer no matter what everyone thinks about him the team like him and looks up to him as a leader, i think as the year goes on he will start to look more like the guy he did in edmonton. but if we lose backes just get tarasenko over here and have him play with perron and oshie awesome line.
in reply to ducky81
also why not keep conks for the price a backup that can share the load for that price and lots of playoff experience is better than a kid if we do make it that far.
These are my thoughts dont trash them send me constructive points about why this is wrong to come to some form of agreement. flag this comment
I love Backes, but 5 mil.? No thanks. If/when he proves he can score 30 year in and year out sure, pay the man. Brewer is gone after this year and there are plenty of solid dman waiting for a chance. We NEED true scoring. We haven't had it since Hull got the boot. Trade him to Toronto for a couple of picks, package a deal to bring in a GOAL SCORER!
in reply to pauliesaprano
TSN reported last night on Center Ice that Backes was unhappy and wanted out of STL. They were saying that Brian Burke was very interested.

I my opinion he is gone at a 5M price tag.
in reply to Larry
Wow, I like Backes, but he's nowhere near being worth $5 million. He doesn't put up enough offensive production and isn't as good as Kesler or Bergeron. That's just the honest truth. He's a notoriously slow starter and I doubt he will return to his 30-goal form. I hope he can be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer but we shall see. So far he hasn't been that consistent.

We just cannot afford to hand out a bad contract like that though. We have far too many young pieces that we have to lock up in the next 2 years and quite frankly, Backes isn't even our best forward. I'd much rather commit that money to Oshie, Perron and even Berglund since they all have much higher offensive potential.

Backes is a valuable player, don't get me wrong. His grit, size and leadership are awesome. I hope we keep him and I think we will because he's our future captain, but if he wants 5 mil then we have to move on... and other guys like EJ or Oshie could be captain material.

I'll give him 4 mil per year but no more than that.

This is all speculation and I'm sure the 2 sides will agree on a fair number. Backes likes it here. Just giving my 2 cents on the 'what if'.
in reply to GoldenHalak41
Wow, I like Backes, but he's nowhere near being worth $5 million. He doesn't put up enough offensive production and isn't as good as Kesler or Bergeron. That's just the honest truth. He's a notoriously slow starter and I doubt he will return to his 30-goal form. I hope he can be a consistent 20-25 goal scorer but we shall see. So far he hasn't been that consistent.

We just cannot afford to hand out a bad contract like that though. We have far too many young pieces that we have to lock up in the next 2 years and quite frankly, Backes isn't even our best forward. I'd much rather commit that money to Oshie, Perron and even Berglund since they all have much higher offensive potential.

Backes is a valuable player, don't get me wrong. His grit, size and leadership are awesome. I hope we keep him and I think we will because he's our future captain, but if he wants 5 mil then we have to move on... and other guys like EJ or Oshie could be captain material.

I'll give him 4 mil per year but no more than that.

This is all speculation and I'm sure the 2 sides will agree on a fair number. Backes likes it here. Just giving my 2 cents on the 'what if'.
in reply to GoldenHalak41

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